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";s:4:"text";s:31604:"Highly infectious 'super-covid' variants could drive... California gets back 10% of its COVID-19 vaccine stock after officials ruled batch of 330K Moderna shots did... 2020 is the deadliest year in U.S. history: America is on pace for more than 3.2 million total deaths... Britain dishes out a record 366,919 Covid jabs - 200 a MINUTE - but NHS figures reveal postcode lottery with... Priti Patel refuses to rule out fining 'morally reprehensible' Brits who try to jump the queue for Covid... Jonathan Van-Tam says he is 'delighted' that his mother, 79, received Covid vaccine at her local GP surgery... or debate this issue live on our message boards. I'm challenging the recent edit(s) by User:Andrevan adding the following to the lead: First, when Trump says something could be one of the largest X in history is nowhere near unique. It sounds like some editors here have not reviewed all the RS reports of this. Atsme 03:49, 28 May 2018 (UTC), We’ve recently had several edits and changes about his claim to have excelled at Wharton. That's me talking, … “Is he racially insensitive? I would suggest to remove this sentence. He was not named in the student newspaper for the honor roll list.[2]. Andrevan contests the editing restrictions, and none of Mandruss, MONGO and me want to accidentally trip up a mine by reverting him again. Stories about Pete Buttigieg’s nomination as secretary of transportation bury the elephant in the room. Summary of opinion so far (and remember, we are talking about the version immediately under (EC x2) OK, how about this? The more specific the content, the less RS support there is for it. When we went back to Liverpool, all … Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:34, 28 May 2018 (UTC), Boom! Wharton records, however, do not show he was on the Dean's List, and the 1968 commencement program does not list him as graduating with honors.". 'It's probably because your immune system gradually gets tired and debilitated as you get older,' says Prof Finn. Andrevan@ 19:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC), (Sub-discussion extracted from above thread — JFG talk 18:23, 24 May 2018 (UTC). is not needed.--. We could wear it on-stage and off-stage. [3] His classmates do not recall him as exceptional. But as Dr Terry John, from Walthamstow, says: 'We can never predict who will end up with scarring. Why not be the first to send us your thoughts, Pete Best on why the band wore leather gear and not suits: "When we went over to Hamburg, we found out that the stage suits we had actually rotted and fell apart with the long hours we were playing. Fewer opinions, and more factually based, encyclopedic material would be a vast improvement over campaign rhetoric and unproven allegations. Standing at the Crossroads: Southern Life since 1900, New York: Hill & Wang, 1986. Pete Best leaves the Blackjacks and becomes The Silver Beetles' drummer. As evoked in an earlier discussion, these events were one-off actions, and as such they do not look notable enough to be included as a key foreign policy event. The article used to say he "boasted" about this; editors changed it to "claimed", later "said", for NPOV reasons; the latest edit changed it to the POV word "bragged". The exact same things I talked about is the subject of the 538 podcast episode released today. Generally it is expected that this template and its closely related templates will appear on an article for less than a day; occasionally longer. I say there's substantial discussion and circumstantial evidence that have led to widespread discussion and suspicion of it. When it is reactivated, the patient will feel unwell with pains for a few days. — JFG talk 13:27, 27 May 2018 (UTC), Why doesnt the article mention Trump support of coal? But what they’re getting at is that ordinary conservatives are told their ideas and values are reactionary, prejudiced, sexist or racist, and to stand up against the trend, for the views of the common sense majority, is now considered brave to do. US has its SECOND deadliest day of the pandemic as Biden takes office: More than 4,200 Americans die of... Eli Lilly's coronavirus antibody drug prevents 80% of nursing home residents from falling ill from COVID-19,... Can Biden's vaccine drive EVER end the covid crisis? Greg, have you read the cited sources? But is he a racist? The band's current line-up would now included John, Paul, George, Pete and Stuart Stutcliffe. Collusion isn't a legal term or a term of art. Overly broadly construed sanctions have allowed any workshopping of article text, including minor changes below, to become stymied by a log-rolled slowplay of talk page wrangling. SPECIFICO talk 22:58, 25 May 2018 (UTC). Strasbourg, December 9, 1918 FREDERICK W . Yes. Sp o o k y H a llowe e n Spe cia l p17-19. Maybe we could even say he has called the investigation a witch hunt. That's a very different situation from if 0 members had been charged with a crime and the entire investigation dismissed or closed, such as in the scandals that are discussed on pages like Barack Obama or Bill Clinton. He's STILL trying to defend Mike Flynn, despite some pretty disturbing revelations. Proof the Pfizer Covid vaccine works in the real world? DuBois, W. E. B. Lesson: Avoid specific wikivoice content in controversial areas. And it enhanced the image we wanted. This page was last edited on 6 June 2018, at 21:33. There are plenty of RS, they have not taken a pass on this. Do you disagree? A few years later they add a son Pete to their perfect family. Before adding something like that to the lede, it would have to be in the article; that's the nature of ledes, to summarize the main points of the article. Opinions evenly divided. Thoughts? Leather was a lot cheaper in Hamburg. Goodbye for now. Oppose both -- Really about staff, not Trump, so not lead items for Trump BLP. Pinging User:SPECIFICO and User:Winkelvi. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.51.215.40 (talk) 15:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC) De-shouted and removed 22 of 23 question marks per WP:IAR. Professor Finn says: 'No one understands why. [58] So, there's a conflict among reliable sources where the reliable sources least equipped to understand polls and probabilities say that Trump's win was stunning whereas the reliable sources most equipped to understand polls and probabilities (538, NYT's Upshot) gave Trump a decent chance to win. --MelanieN (talk) 22:19, 28 May 2018 (UTC), According to Trump Revealed, he later "bragged about being a top student among his 333 Wharton classmates, even claiming to be first in his class. Then supplement with some attributed opinion, from both sides but proportional to the overall coverage. --MelanieN (talk) 14:16, 25 May 2018 (UTC), @MelanieN:I do not say that Mueller is investigating money laundering. --MelanieN (talk) 15:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC) Adding MONGO and L293D. His election also upset the expectations of data analysts within both campaigns. It seems to be associated with lowered immunity. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. or debate this issue live on our message boards. Andrevan@ 17:59, 23 May 2018 (UTC), Now, we need another sentence at the end. I'm vacillating between weak support and weak oppose. At most, there is no consensus to remove it. I have no idea what "debate" you think is on tap here. My point is that guilty pleas and indictments are relevant to Trump himself. — JFG talk 04:32, 23 May 2018 (UTC), @Awilley, MelanieN, and NeilN: We may need some admin attention here. @MrX: About your revert,[59] here was my rationale: Would you agree to restore my edit, or do you have an alternate suggestion to resolve the above two concerns? The. The chickenpox beds down in the nerve endings, then lies dormant. ), etc. I have to ask, why does this need to be in the article? On this date, the band travels to Hamburg, Germany. Written in 1903 by a leading African-American proponent of civil and … It is not intended to be used to mark an article that merely has recent news articles about the topic; if it were, hundreds of thousands of articles would have this template, with no informational consequence. --NeilN talk to me 13:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC), Well, I restored the stable version of the last paragraph. A pregnant woman who has been exposed to chickenpox should see a doctor immediately for an injection of varicella zoster immune globulin (VZIG) - antibodies to fight the illness. "), It is high time to sit back and open a discussion. I think this was an improper close and a wrong read of the discussion. His best friends will admit that hyperbole for him is a regular manner of speaking. My reasoning stands and I find your arguments to be unconvincing. —. His victory did not upset the expectations of polls, it was within a normal polling error. According to Trump Revealed, he "bragged about being a top student among his 333 Wharton classmates, even claiming to be first in his class." @Andrevan: please self-revert your latest addition pending consensus here. Its not a problem with issues such as him not being forthcoming with his grades (did Obama ever release his transcripts? That's not NPOV. [4][5], Comments? Trump has been associating himself with, hiring, or appointing shady characters who have ended up being indicted/charged/convicted. Otherwise you're leaving it dangling with simply Trump's narrative without the reality. ―. As written, the article basically says this, paraphrasing: Trump was investigated, but NO COLLUSION! Oh for Pete's sake. On talk pages, we don’t “vote!” on questions and formal RfCs but discuss, share ideas, and debate topics in a formal manner as we endeavor to arrive at a consensus. Where there is not a clear consensus, the default (per DS) is to the longstanding or stable version of the article. Nate Silver says explicitly that journalists do not understand polls in the first two minutes. Yes, you could make a case for unlinking. We basically lived in it. — JFG talk 22:53, 27 May 2018 (UTC). Trump has repeatedly denied accusations of collusion and obstruction of justice, calling the investigation a politically-motivated "witch hunt". The following is the third installment of my condensation of favorite sections and passages. In adults, the illness can be far more serious, can lead to pneumonia and can even be fatal. And generally prefer simpler and shorter. FREDERIC C. HOWE 622 Impressions of Alsace Under the Armistice GEN. EMILE A. TAUFFLIEB 629 ARTICLES, … ―Mandruss ☎ 17:26, 27 May 2018 (UTC), It's not particularly a minor thing. Business owners issue desperate appeal for aid after pandemic and anti-Asian racism has decimated Chinatown in New York, San Francisco and Seattle, Shocking moment cop car runs over man and miraculously leaves him with just minor injuries after angry crowd surrounded the vehicle as police tried to stop a Fast and Furious style burnout, How letters nearly put paid to David Lean's version of A Passage To India amid concerns from the executors of E.M. 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Number of critical care beds occupied is 70% higher than last winter and a quarter of hospitals had NO space... Dr Fauci warns South African 'super-covid' is the variant to worry about because it may make vaccines less... Don't you know there's a pandemic on? ―, Discussion has died down. Instead, it has continued, resulting in a number of indictments and guilty pleas of his campaign staff. [6], Thoughts? Wouldn't need prior consensus but for the existing consensus item. After Trump dismissed FBI Director James Comey in 2017, a special counsel began investigating coordination or links between the Trump campaign and Russian government in connection with Russian interference in the 2016 elections, and related matters, resulting in several indictments and guilty pleas involving campaign staff. For example, it's a fact that several members of Trump's campaign pled guilty. e.g. This can cut short an attack dramatically. A turn of phrase mentioning peripheral indictments in the Russian interference affair was recently added to the tail of the lead section. --GRuban (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2018 (UTC). These associations Trump has are far stronger and have greater implications than, for example, Barack Obama's tenuous connections with Jeremiah Wright or Tony Rezko that the right wing succeeded in making a big deal of. An overview of the politics, society, and race issues which defined the American South. Also, as charges are unrelated to Russian investigation, it is incorrect to include that as part of the same line. @Mandruss and MONGO: please comment. When asked to verify his claim, classmates of Trump stated they did not recall him as having been an exceptional student. BEEKMAN 594 With the Armies of Occupation . When it appears everyone has had their say I will ask for a neutral third party to come and evaluate. It seems to me that discussion of this topic is driven by partisans who, through tendentious editing, protect this article from factual truths. There are much better sources out there. In very rare cases, adults may suffer brain inflammation. [7] - "although there have been several indictments and guilty pleas involving campaign staff that do not directly implicate Trump or his family members." The basic meaning of the two additions is identical. Thanks for your input, all. 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If it were truly undue, like the breed of his pet cat or the name of his tailor, it would not be mentioned in so very many sources. No.” There are many other sources that say similar things so when you ask me if we should state in WikiVoice that he's racist, I say no - we use intext attribution, and we provide all views in the same manner. Putting it all together in Draft A below for comments. sfn error: no target: CITEREFKranishFisher2017 (, they do not recall him as having been an exceptional student, unfortunate disparagement of the authors and their serious, critically recognized research for the book, already politely tried to discuss with you on your talkpage, Russian interference in the 2016 elections, NYTimes states that by appointing Mueller, Special Counsel investigation (2017–present), "Trump seethes over Russia probe, calls for end to 'Spygate", "Conservatives say alleged FBI 'spying' on Trump is bigger than Watergate", Energy policy of the Trump administration, Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources#News organizations, "Donald Trump, Real Estate Promoter, Builds Image as He Buys Buildings", "Questions linger about Trump's academic record at Wharton - Philly", "No one knows what Donald Trump did at Wharto", "No one knows what Donald Trump did at Wharton", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump/Archive_83&oldid=844744972, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. A cursory look at a few of them makes it clear that you have not been that rigorous yourself, so the specific non-opinion support for the specific content is sure to be far less than you make it seem with a bunch of external links. "Republicans and Conservatives do consistently condemn Trump"? The authors did not rely solely on the recollection of the dozens of classmates they interviewed. --MelanieN (talk) 15:20, 29 May 2018 (UTC), STOP reverting each other, immediately. Also, I would not want to see us use Trump's latest buzzword "Spygate" anywhere; the word is pure propaganda, promoting a claim for which we have seen no evidence. This is idiotic and misleading wording. PETER WALKER: Are slim people ALWAYS fitter than fatties? that does not seem undue. I’ve always questioned this; after all, I am merely offering my opinions. As happened with several other incidents, his racially insensitive remarks attracted widespread condemnation domestically and worldwide, including by several members of Congress. This is not an invitation to revisit the rest of that consensus, please stay on topic. . It just seems that the infection is more aggressive.'. There's no crystal balling by simply stating the fact - the investigation has led to a number of guilty pleas and indictments. His denials and repeated claim of "no collusion" are undue weight given to the subject's own narrative. There's been extensive RS discussion and circumstantial evidence to indicate a long history of money laundering. I'm not saying that Flynn flipping should be in the lede in this article. EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEWS --MelanieN (talk) 15:19, 29 May 2018 (UTC), Since opinions are still coming in I will let things lie for the moment. Shingles is also known as herpes zoster. Trump himself stated that he had fired Comey because of the Russia investigation. [1] Classmates of Trump when asked to verify his claim have stated they do not recall him as having been an exceptional student. MAY THE WEBB LAW AND FOREIGN TRADE By JOHN FRANKLIN FORT SCRIBNER'S MAGAZINE -Illustrated IN GERMANY SINCE THE ARMISTICE The Day Of Liberation. It doesn't really matter which version is in the article for the moment. I reverted the removal of this material by Malerooster; not appropriate when the topic is under discussion here. After Trump dismissed FBI Director James Comey in 2017, the Justice Department appointed Robert Mueller as special counsel in an investigation into coordination or links between the Trump campaign and Russian government in connection with Russian interference in the 2016 elections, and related matters, resulting in several indictments and guilty pleas involving campaign staff. Trump has called for the investigation to be terminated. Add me to the Don't use it category. The other, debunking source is not viewable online so we don’t know what claim it is responding to. Well, basically, then, you've given no reason for your "omit" so it doesn't add any weight or insight to the discussion. There are many more on top of the ones Melanie included. However, their idyllic life together ends when a cheating Toby leaves his wife and son to go be with his lover in Maine. I decline to spend two hours of my life tediously producing a thorough analysis of the cited sources, showing which are opinion pieces and which do not specifically support the specific content. 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